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| James Towill wrote: |
My own personal opinion is that I feel had LCW not been a hit, then Rickfors would have lasted longer in the band, possibly another album, but I ultimately think that Clarke would have returned to the fold. The Hollies with Rickfors is a different beast really, much more American-sounding and picking material which I don't think they would have if Clarke was to sing them. Much more soulful and introspective. I would love to see a full video of the Rickfors lineup - I've only seen Long Dark Road which is jaw-dropping in its power and emotion. The Rickfors years also had the added benefit of bringing Terry and Tony to the fore a bit more, and likewise Bernie on keyboards.
As for Bond, I'd have to say that OHMSS definitely has the best story behind it and Lazenby really does it justice. Likewise, Timothy Dalton also portrayed Bond in an original no-nonsense fashion - shame he didn't do more. |
There are Hollies/Rickfors videos to be seen, but "Long Dark Road" is definitely the most exciting clip that's available to see.
I agree; most of the material on "Romany" I couldn't imagine Clarke even attempting. That's what makes it so interesting. I think the song "Marigold/Gloria Swansong" from "..sing Hollies" was about as soulful and introspective as Clarke ever got. |
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Post subject: Introspective.... |
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| they did quite a few introspective songs |
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| Geoff coles wrote: |
I think Allan Clarke wrote a number of introspective songs, such as :
Lullaby To Tim...to his young son
Would you Believe
Goodbye Tomorrow
My life is over with you
Separated
Don't let me Down
I'm Down
You Gave Me Strength
Plus his solo gems like :
Nature's way of saying Goodbye
Who ?
and I would love to have heard "Clarke versions" of "Slow Down" and "Courage of your Convictions"....but I do agree that most of the "Rickfors era" material was a complete departure for the band into another dimension and in many ways it is a shame that they never did a third album with Mike...as I bet it would have been magnificent ! |
Yes. If the (then) unreleased "If It Wasn't For the Reason" was an indication of where they were going musically, I think it would have been very interesting. They were doing excellent outside material (most of "Romany") as well as fine self-penned tunes ("Out on the Road"). A little more time and I think they could have come up with a sizable hit with Rickfors, to follow up "The Baby" and "Magic Woman Touch". I still believe "...Reason" is the hit that got away. I think it would have done well in the US, had Epic released it. That country-tinged sound (such as by The Eagles) was very popular at the time. And, regarding Clarke, I'm baffled as to why "Nature's Way of Saying Goodbye" wasn't issued as a single, to my ears the best track on his first solo LP. |
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Allan Clarke's solo career has also always left me rather baffled...!
He recorded some exceptional music...songs such as "Nature's way..." etc, and I would have loved to also hear a "Hollies version" of his solo tracks "Who ?", "Walls", "Slipstream", and "Shadow on the Street".....etc |
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All I have to say on the subject of Allan's vs. Terry's vocals on LCW is that if Terry had sung the original, recorded version...I might have worked out the lyrics MUCH faster!!  |
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| All I have to say on the subject of Allan's vs. Terry's vocals on LCW is that if Terry had sung the original, recorded version...I might have worked out the lyrics MUCH faster!! |
Yes Bruce - I quite understand. Salford's finest definitely needed to speak or sing the Queen's English at times! 'Parble Rain' anyone?  We love him for it though. Legend. |
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Thanks to the discussion straying into the various virtues of the James Bond actors, you've given me an idea...
All the Hollies have to do to get back into the singles charts, or at least raise their profile, is record the theme song for the next Bond movie! |
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Sadly I cringe at times when I've heard interviews with Allan Tony and Bobby when they say things like we got in Terry Sylvester and he could hit the notes, it's like they were not an important part of the groups history.
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Take it from a semi-pro musician....to put it bluntly...those 'notes Terry hit' saved the band's collective ass. The band was very fortunate to have him available to continue the high harmony heritage Graham put in place. Not even Paul McCartney could hit notes that high...that sweetly...that blended with the other timbres of Allan & Tony.
It's too bad the other members downplay his contribution. The LCW was simply a business decision to keep the business (known as 'The Hollies') operational. It's only fair that Terry FELT like LCW was his song based on Allan's sabbatical leave. But it only proved that the sum of the parts were greater than the individual contributions. Yes...Allan wrote, played and sang LCW. But he chose to bail out. You can't fault Terry for keeping the machine running, and taking partial ownership. |
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| Anthony wrote: |
Sadly I cringe at times when I've heard interviews with Allan Tony and Bobby when they say things like we got in Terry Sylvester and he could hit the notes, it's like they were not an important part of the groups history.
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Take it from a semi-pro musician....to put it bluntly...those 'notes Terry hit' saved the band's collective ass. The band was very fortunate to have him available to continue the high harmony heritage Graham put in place. Not even Paul McCartney could hit notes that high...that sweetly...that blended with the other timbres of Allan & Tony.
It's too bad the other members downplay his contribution. The LCW was simply a business decision to keep the business (known as 'The Hollies') operational. It's only fair that Terry FELT like LCW was his song based on Allan's sabbatical leave. But it only proved that the sum of the parts were greater than the individual contributions. Yes...Allan wrote, played and sang LCW. But he chose to bail out. You can't fault Terry for keeping the machine running, and taking partial ownership. |
Amen and Amen...Terry did what any PROFESSIONAL musician would do...he carried on. |
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| I have listened to the Youtube interview, and all he said from what I understand, is that he came to be seen as the singer in USA as he used to sing LCW live when on tour (as Allan had left). What is controversial about this? He isn't claiming the song, just pointing out (and he seemed to find it amusing) the obvious |
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| Although I am not going into full details here, I can assure you there was a bit more to the Allan Clarke "situation" in 1971...but aside from that, I would point out that Allan Clarke was quite capable of "Hitting the High Notes" himself...listen to the "Make you...Make you my own..." line on "Just One Look" when Clarke & Nash swapped their normal vocal roles...or the line "It's Beautiful..." on "Try It" when first Clarke...then Clarke/Nash both sing in their higher ranges...... |
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Hi Marko661,
I agree with you, he didn't say he was better or anythink like that. It's like people who saw the Hollies only with Carl Wayne as it's singer, they will always remember the Hollies with him out front. |
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I don't think there is any great "controversy" re LCW.....
Terry indeed said he came to be regarded as THE "Face"/singer of this song in 1973....but that was only by some USA Concert/Television audience fans...(Some Americans see it as always being a "Clarke song")....and certainly so does the rest of the world...and we must remember that LCW was a big USA hit first - with the Americans buying the studio recording sung by Allan Clarke...
So there is no "controversy" about it at all...is there ? |
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| Geoff coles wrote: |
...but aside from that, I would point out that Allan Clarke was quite capable of "Hitting the High Notes" himself...
<Allan's> vocal range was far wider than many people realise....
Terry did a magnificent job for the Hollies being pitched in at a minutes notice to complete the "Sing Dylan" tracks, and "Sorry Suzanne" single...,
I don't agree re Paul McCartney....listen to Wings song "Girlfriend", Paul...and both John & George had very powerful falsetto ranges remember Lennon singing "It took me SO....... long to find out..." on "Day Tripper", and listen to ,say, "The Word",
...but the three Beatles vocalists all had very high, sweet , falsetto vocal ranges... |
I absolutely hear what you are saying, Geoff, and agree. A couple of things -
1. I agree on Allan's range, and never doubted it (and not here on this thread). I can't sing LCW in my band, as it is too high ("pair of 45's..."), and I still marvel that Terry can STILL hit those notes when we back him.
2. SSuzanne and 'I'll Be Your Baby Tonight' from Dylan ...again, Terry's harmonies are damn hard to hit in the original keys. They were NOT falsettos when he recorded them. (It certainly helped to be a ripe age of 21!)
3. Speaking of falsettos - yes, Lennon & Macca have/had great range, and had beautifully sweet falsettos, but Terry didn't sing falsettos for songs like 'GABred', 'TATIBreathe' or "JesusWAC" (harmonizing with himself!).
Sir Paul (still has) a great range, and can switch to a sweet, full falsetto in a blink (Blackbird, For No One, HT & Everywhere). But if you asked him to sing the same, original high notes mentioned above, I KNOW he could not do it unless it was in falsetto.
The only singers I can think of who could hit the notes clearly, are Tommy Shaw of Styx (think: "La-a-a-adyyyy...of the mor-----niiiiing"), Robert Plant, Jon Anderson, and Graham Nash.
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Post subject: Vocal ranges..... |
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| I agree re your points...Considering Terry Sylvester was a Co-Lead vocalist for both The Escorts and Swinging Blue Jeans rather than a High Harmony vocalist He really did a brilliant job in training himself so fast (he used a copy of "Hollies Greatest" to have full command of the earlier hits...and beat off some TOP competition who had auditioned for the Nash job...including Elton John...! ) |
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