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| I'd be satisfied with a CD issue of "My Real Name Is 'arold" with the non-LP B-side "Coward By Name" added. I'm surprised it hasn't been issued anywhere. |
An old friend from Germany sent me a cd of 'arold 2 years ago. Excellent sound quality. even had the front and back cover scanned for me, though in B&W. The RCA logo is see at the very right lower corner. It must be or have been out there at one time, official or unofficial issue. Alas, no bunus track, just straight album . |
That is an obvious bootleg. Sorry to burst your bubble. |
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| I'd be satisfied with a CD issue of "My Real Name Is 'arold" with the non-LP B-side "Coward By Name" added. I'm surprised it hasn't been issued anywhere. |
An old friend from Germany sent me a cd of 'arold 2 years ago. Excellent sound quality. even had the front and back cover scanned for me, though in B&W. The RCA logo is see at the very right lower corner. It must be or have been out there at one time, official or unofficial issue. Alas, no bunus track, just straight album . |
That is an obvious bootleg. Sorry to burst your bubble. |
I had already figured it was at least "gray" area material, but nice sounding none the less....and considering the lack of an official release, I'm happy to have this for now. |
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| The trouble is Allan Clarke as a solo artist never really made much of an impact anywhere. In 1976, he scored a mid-charting single in the USA with "Shadow In The Street", but aside from that, nothing. Am I correct in assuming he had zilch record success in Europe? Yes, he recorded a number of solo albums but none of them had any real success apart from diehard Hollies fans buying them. So an ambitious project such as an Allan Clarke career overview is rather farfetched. His name alone is not a strong selling point. |
And how do you bring Allan's solo work to the masses?You produce a cd as Geoff has suggested here.So you start by listening to the popular Hollies songs and then you are introduced to some solo work .This you listen to and realize how good it is,and then you go out and buy some solo Clarkey stuff.This is exactly how I've expanded my Hollies cd collection and tastes.I bought your fav Hollies collection,LRH Boxset and this got me really interested in the Hollies 70's stuff which I wasn't too fussed on as a teenager.It has enriched my whole Hollie experience and educated me so much.I think you forget that there are a load of quite young fans(errrr cough,me included  )who are still learning about and discovering the band and we need cd collections like this to whet our appetites.And by the way Allan Clarke is the most underrated singer of the 60's and 70's  . |
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| The trouble is Allan Clarke as a solo artist never really made much of an impact anywhere. In 1976, he scored a mid-charting single in the USA with "Shadow In The Street", but aside from that, nothing. Am I correct in assuming he had zilch record success in Europe? Yes, he recorded a number of solo albums but none of them had any real success apart from diehard Hollies fans buying them. So an ambitious project such as an Allan Clarke career overview is rather farfetched. His name alone is not a strong selling point. |
And how do you bring Allan's solo work to the masses?You produce a cd as Geoff has suggested here.So you start by listening to the popular Hollies songs and then you are introduced to some solo work .This you listen to and realize how good it is,and then you go out and buy some solo Clarkey stuff.This is exactly how I've expanded my Hollies cd collection and tastes.I bought your fav Hollies collection,LRH Boxset and this got me really interested in the Hollies 70's stuff which I wasn't too fussed on as a teenager.It has enriched my whole Hollie experience and educated me so much.I think you forget that there are a load of quite young fans(errrr cough,me included )who are still learning about and discovering the band and we need cd collections like this to whet our appetites.And by the way Allan Clarke is the most underrated singer of the 60's and 70's . |
I'm not denegrating Clarke as a singer or performer, but a 4 CD Box Set centering around Clarke as part of The Hollies and solo, as Geoff proposes, is wishful thinking at best. Clarke's name alone outside of The Hollies does not register with the general public, despite his handful of solo album projects. He attempted to kick-start a solo career on numerous occasions with various label affiliations, but it just didn't work out, no matter how you look at it. Those are the plain facts. Again, a CD release of his first and most significant solo album is much more reasonable and appealing, especially since it's never been reissued in any form since its release in 1972. That I'd buy, but not a box set. It reminds me of what Mick Jagger said about career-overview box sets; he doesn't like them because it's too much to have to take in at once. I agree completely. |
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| The trouble is Allan Clarke as a solo artist never really made much of an impact anywhere. In 1976, he scored a mid-charting single in the USA with "Shadow In The Street", but aside from that, nothing. Am I correct in assuming he had zilch record success in Europe? Yes, he recorded a number of solo albums but none of them had any real success apart from diehard Hollies fans buying them. So an ambitious project such as an Allan Clarke career overview is rather farfetched. His name alone is not a strong selling point. |
And how do you bring Allan's solo work to the masses?You produce a cd as Geoff has suggested here.So you start by listening to the popular Hollies songs and then you are introduced to some solo work .This you listen to and realize how good it is,and then you go out and buy some solo Clarkey stuff.This is exactly how I've expanded my Hollies cd collection and tastes.I bought your fav Hollies collection,LRH Boxset and this got me really interested in the Hollies 70's stuff which I wasn't too fussed on as a teenager.It has enriched my whole Hollie experience and educated me so much.I think you forget that there are a load of quite young fans(errrr cough,me included )who are still learning about and discovering the band and we need cd collections like this to whet our appetites.And by the way Allan Clarke is the most underrated singer of the 60's and 70's . |
I'm not denegrating Clarke as a singer or performer, but a 4 CD Box Set centering around Clarke as part of The Hollies and solo, as Geoff proposes, is wishful thinking at best. Clarke's name alone outside of The Hollies does not register with the general public, despite his handful of solo album projects. He attempted to kick-start a solo career on numerous occasions with various label affiliations, but it just didn't work out, no matter how you look at it. Those are the plain facts. Again, a CD release of his first and most significant solo album is much more reasonable and appealing, especially since it's never been reissued in any form since its release in 1972. That I'd buy, but not a box set. It reminds me of what Mick Jagger said about career-overview box sets; he doesn't like them because it's too much to have to take in at once. I agree completely. |
What Geoff proposes isn't a lot to take in at once. It is a survey of Allan's work with items that fit the different stages of it and different types of ainging and instrumental styles. If it were going to be too much to take in at once, we could throw in every single song Allan wrote or sang on - and that would be overkill. Issuing a set like this is a way to get Allan's name out there. There are people who have heard it, but just aren't clear on where it fits. This would be a good way to introduce Allan to the general public, especially the young people who aren't all-too familiar with his work, and there isn't so much in this set that would amount too much for them to take in. |
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| The trouble is Allan Clarke as a solo artist never really made much of an impact anywhere. In 1976, he scored a mid-charting single in the USA with "Shadow In The Street", but aside from that, nothing. Am I correct in assuming he had zilch record success in Europe? Yes, he recorded a number of solo albums but none of them had any real success apart from diehard Hollies fans buying them. So an ambitious project such as an Allan Clarke career overview is rather farfetched. His name alone is not a strong selling point. |
And how do you bring Allan's solo work to the masses?You produce a cd as Geoff has suggested here.So you start by listening to the popular Hollies songs and then you are introduced to some solo work .This you listen to and realize how good it is,and then you go out and buy some solo Clarkey stuff.This is exactly how I've expanded my Hollies cd collection and tastes.I bought your fav Hollies collection,LRH Boxset and this got me really interested in the Hollies 70's stuff which I wasn't too fussed on as a teenager.It has enriched my whole Hollie experience and educated me so much.I think you forget that there are a load of quite young fans(errrr cough,me included )who are still learning about and discovering the band and we need cd collections like this to whet our appetites.And by the way Allan Clarke is the most underrated singer of the 60's and 70's . |
I'm not denegrating Clarke as a singer or performer, but a 4 CD Box Set centering around Clarke as part of The Hollies and solo, as Geoff proposes, is wishful thinking at best. Clarke's name alone outside of The Hollies does not register with the general public, despite his handful of solo album projects. He attempted to kick-start a solo career on numerous occasions with various label affiliations, but it just didn't work out, no matter how you look at it. Those are the plain facts. Again, a CD release of his first and most significant solo album is much more reasonable and appealing, especially since it's never been reissued in any form since its release in 1972. That I'd buy, but not a box set. It reminds me of what Mick Jagger said about career-overview box sets; he doesn't like them because it's too much to have to take in at once. I agree completely. |
What Geoff proposes isn't a lot to take in at once. It is a survey of Allan's work with items that fit the different stages of it and different types of ainging and instrumental styles. If it were going to be too much to take in at once, we could throw in every single song Allan wrote or sang on - and that would be overkill. Issuing a set like this is a way to get Allan's name out there. There are people who have heard it, but just aren't clear on where it fits. This would be a good way to introduce Allan to the general public, especially the young people who aren't all-too familiar with his work, and there isn't so much in this set that would amount too much for them to take in. |
Here come the clarkies  I think it would be too much if a boxset of just his solo stuff was proposed but as the list that Geoff suggested includes a lot of hollies material too, I think it would be a very good idea if something like this was released and would especially interest hollies fans who like his voice and are intrigued by what his solo material is like. If something like this came out I would personally have it on repeat |
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| The trouble is Allan Clarke as a solo artist never really made much of an impact anywhere. In 1976, he scored a mid-charting single in the USA with "Shadow In The Street", but aside from that, nothing. Am I correct in assuming he had zilch record success in Europe? Yes, he recorded a number of solo albums but none of them had any real success apart from diehard Hollies fans buying them. So an ambitious project such as an Allan Clarke career overview is rather farfetched. His name alone is not a strong selling point. |
And how do you bring Allan's solo work to the masses?You produce a cd as Geoff has suggested here.So you start by listening to the popular Hollies songs and then you are introduced to some solo work .This you listen to and realize how good it is,and then you go out and buy some solo Clarkey stuff.This is exactly how I've expanded my Hollies cd collection and tastes.I bought your fav Hollies collection,LRH Boxset and this got me really interested in the Hollies 70's stuff which I wasn't too fussed on as a teenager.It has enriched my whole Hollie experience and educated me so much.I think you forget that there are a load of quite young fans(errrr cough,me included )who are still learning about and discovering the band and we need cd collections like this to whet our appetites.And by the way Allan Clarke is the most underrated singer of the 60's and 70's . |
I'm not denegrating Clarke as a singer or performer, but a 4 CD Box Set centering around Clarke as part of The Hollies and solo, as Geoff proposes, is wishful thinking at best. Clarke's name alone outside of The Hollies does not register with the general public, despite his handful of solo album projects. He attempted to kick-start a solo career on numerous occasions with various label affiliations, but it just didn't work out, no matter how you look at it. Those are the plain facts. Again, a CD release of his first and most significant solo album is much more reasonable and appealing, especially since it's never been reissued in any form since its release in 1972. That I'd buy, but not a box set. It reminds me of what Mick Jagger said about career-overview box sets; he doesn't like them because it's too much to have to take in at once. I agree completely. |
What Geoff proposes isn't a lot to take in at once. It is a survey of Allan's work with items that fit the different stages of it and different types of ainging and instrumental styles. If it were going to be too much to take in at once, we could throw in every single song Allan wrote or sang on - and that would be overkill. Issuing a set like this is a way to get Allan's name out there. There are people who have heard it, but just aren't clear on where it fits. This would be a good way to introduce Allan to the general public, especially the young people who aren't all-too familiar with his work, and there isn't so much in this set that would amount too much for them to take in. |
Here come the clarkies I think it would be too much if a boxset of just his solo stuff was proposed but as the list that Geoff suggested includes a lot of hollies material too, I think it would be a very good idea if something like this was released and would especially interest hollies fans who like his voice and are intrigued by what his solo material is like. If something like this came out I would personally have it on repeat |
Vrinda and Katdowl,it's nice to see the Clarkeys out in force .But Clarkeys or not I think we've made valid points in favour of the cd . |
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| But there is also the problem of what this imaginary box set would be listed as; an "Allan Clarke" Box Set? A "Hollies" Box Set? or "Allan Clarke & The Hollies"? None of them sound right. So logistically, it would be a nightmare for a record label to assemble and market, assuming one would go along with it. With all the optimism I can muster, I just can't see it happening. As a longtime fan of The Hollies, I can't imagine that such a project would even be considered, especially when Clarke's solo work amounted to next to nothing in the way of commercial success. If Clarke had had a few hits on his own it would be a different story, but truth be told Clarke as a solo act doesn't carry any real weight. The imbalance is too great for The Hollies (group) and Allan Clarke (solo) to be put together as one. |
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| But there is also the problem of what this imaginary box set would be listed as; an "Allan Clarke" Box Set? A "Hollies" Box Set? or "Allan Clarke & The Hollies"? None of them sound right. So logistically, it would be a nightmare for a record label to assemble and market, assuming one would go along with it. With all the optimism I can muster, I just can't see it happening. As a longtime fan of The Hollies, I can't imagine that such a project would even be considered, especially when Clarke's solo work amounted to next to nothing in the way of commercial success. If Clarke had had a few hits on his own it would be a different story, but truth be told Clarke as a solo act doesn't carry any real weight. The imbalance is too great for The Hollies (group) and Allan Clarke (solo) to be put together as one. |
Dennis,
You raise a valid point. As much as I'd like to see the box set come to fruition, fans must face the fact that record labels tend to balk at projects having little to no major impact on the record buying public. We'll just have to adapt a wait and see attitude. |
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| i personally would add brandenberg plaza, i think it shows clarkie's compassity to rock better than any other. |
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| But there is also the problem of what this imaginary box set would be listed as; an "Allan Clarke" Box Set? A "Hollies" Box Set? or "Allan Clarke & The Hollies"? None of them sound right. So logistically, it would be a nightmare for a record label to assemble and market, assuming one would go along with it. With all the optimism I can muster, I just can't see it happening. As a longtime fan of The Hollies, I can't imagine that such a project would even be considered, especially when Clarke's solo work amounted to next to nothing in the way of commercial success. If Clarke had had a few hits on his own it would be a different story, but truth be told Clarke as a solo act doesn't carry any real weight. The imbalance is too great for The Hollies (group) and Allan Clarke (solo) to be put together as one. |
Dennis,
You raise a valid point. As much as I'd like to see the box set come to fruition, fans must face the fact that record labels tend to balk at projects having little to no major impact on the record buying public. We'll just have to adapt a wait and see attitude. |
It's like having a Mick Jagger career-overview box set, with Jagger's solo work placed with The Rolling Stones' work from 4 decades. I'm certain of one person who wouldn't be pleased with such a box set: Keith Richards! (Come to think of it, Jagger himself wouldn't like it either!) Like Clarke solo, Jagger solo doesn't amount to much with the public. |
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| There was a Jagger Gretest Hits thing out here in the UK recently... |
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Quick; can you name any of Jagger's "hits"? I sure can't. |
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| The trouble is Allan Clarke as a solo artist never really made much of an impact anywhere. In 1976, he scored a mid-charting single in the USA with "Shadow In The Street", but aside from that, nothing. Am I correct in assuming he had zilch record success in Europe? Yes, he recorded a number of solo albums but none of them had any real success apart from diehard Hollies fans buying them. So an ambitious project such as an Allan Clarke career overview is rather farfetched. His name alone is not a strong selling point. |
And how do you bring Allan's solo work to the masses?You produce a cd as Geoff has suggested here.So you start by listening to the popular Hollies songs and then you are introduced to some solo work .This you listen to and realize how good it is,and then you go out and buy some solo Clarkey stuff.This is exactly how I've expanded my Hollies cd collection and tastes.I bought your fav Hollies collection,LRH Boxset and this got me really interested in the Hollies 70's stuff which I wasn't too fussed on as a teenager.It has enriched my whole Hollie experience and educated me so much.I think you forget that there are a load of quite young fans(errrr cough,me included )who are still learning about and discovering the band and we need cd collections like this to whet our appetites.And by the way Allan Clarke is the most underrated singer of the 60's and 70's . |
I'm not denegrating Clarke as a singer or performer, but a 4 CD Box Set centering around Clarke as part of The Hollies and solo, as Geoff proposes, is wishful thinking at best. Clarke's name alone outside of The Hollies does not register with the general public, despite his handful of solo album projects. He attempted to kick-start a solo career on numerous occasions with various label affiliations, but it just didn't work out, no matter how you look at it. Those are the plain facts. Again, a CD release of his first and most significant solo album is much more reasonable and appealing, especially since it's never been reissued in any form since its release in 1972. That I'd buy, but not a box set. It reminds me of what Mick Jagger said about career-overview box sets; he doesn't like them because it's too much to have to take in at once. I agree completely. |
What Geoff proposes isn't a lot to take in at once. It is a survey of Allan's work with items that fit the different stages of it and different types of ainging and instrumental styles. If it were going to be too much to take in at once, we could throw in every single song Allan wrote or sang on - and that would be overkill. Issuing a set like this is a way to get Allan's name out there. There are people who have heard it, but just aren't clear on where it fits. This would be a good way to introduce Allan to the general public, especially the young people who aren't all-too familiar with his work, and there isn't so much in this set that would amount too much for them to take in. |
Aren't all of Allan Clarke's solo albums currently available on CD, except for the first one? Anyone with curiousity about them can pick those up easily. Having heard most of them already, even I am not interested.  But I would buy his debut from 1972 if it were released. "My Real Name is 'arold" is a good album and has excellent cover art. (Allan himself noted that probably the best thing about "...'arold" was the cover!). "Nature's Way of Saying Goodbye" would have been a good choice as a single, but unfortunately it was overlooked by both UK RCA and US Epic. |
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Quick; can you name any of Jagger's "hits"? I sure can't. |
Yep, I was thinking the same, that one with Bowie 'Dancing In The Street' is the only non-Stones think that springs to mind! |
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