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marko661 Post subject: Bernie Calvert
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I think I have read somewhere on this forum that Bernie was not considered to be a great bass player.

I have just played the Dutch Collection, and in particular the live version of Daddy Don't Mind: this shows what a great bass player he was (and surely live performances is where it counts), as well as how good the rest of the band were live (as now).

It is a pity that in the early 80's they lost him, due to going down the more electronic route; I know he would have retired soon after anyway, but pity he left under a sort od cloud
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shootthebusstop Post subject: Re: Bernie Calvert
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marko661 wrote:
I think I have read somewhere on this forum that Bernie was not considered to be a great bass player.

I have just played the Dutch Collection, and in particular the live version of Daddy Don't Mind: this shows what a great bass player he was (and surely live performances is where it counts), as well as how good the rest of the band were live (as now).

It is a pity that in the early 80's they lost him, due to going down the more electronic route; I know he would have retired soon after anyway, but pity he left under a sort od cloud
I'm looking forward to receiving my Dutch Collection any day now and look forward to hearing that.Bernie would never have lasted in the band if he hadn't been good enough and it makes me mad when stupid rumours persist throughout the years and not the truth Evil or Very Mad .Bernie was an asset to the band and his contribution to the band's fab sound and records should never be underestimated.BERNIE ROCKED Very Happy Very Happy .

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You blame Ron Richards for a lot of that, as he said something along the lines of "hey, if I'd had Jack Bruce, the bass would have been out in front on the mixes. My bassist wasn't very good, and that's why the sound is back a bit in the mixes."

Or words to that effect.

I must say that Eric's playing was more exciting, but Bernie certainly seemed solid as a rock. Plus, his fine piano playing helped the group out in concert as well as the studio. Live, they could perform He Ain't Heavy as a 5-piece group, with Bernie playing Elton John's piano part and Tony switching to bass.

I've always like Calvert, and agree that Ron Richards was a bit unkind. Is he Jack Bruce? Duh - of course not. But who is?
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SpartyScott wrote:
My bassist wasn't very good, and that's why the sound is back a bit in the mixes."


On A Carousel
Dear Eloise
Listen To Me
Sorry Suzanne
Not That Way At All
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother
Survival Of The Fittest
I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top
Hey Willy
Curly Billy

These are just a very brief list of songs in which Bernie's bass lines are very much to the fore. The very percussive bass sound he got in the late '60's singles is very noticeable. Great bassist.

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James Towill wrote:
SpartyScott wrote:
My bassist wasn't very good, and that's why the sound is back a bit in the mixes."


On A Carousel
Dear Eloise
Listen To Me
Sorry Suzanne
Not That Way At All
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother
Survival Of The Fittest
I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top
Hey Willy
Curly Billy

These are just a very brief list of songs in which Bernie's bass lines are very much to the fore. The very percussive bass sound he got in the late '60's singles is very noticeable. Great bassist.


I agree. Bernie's bass sound was very solid and right for the songs. Eric Haydock was a faster player, but the songs from 1963-6 were generally faster in tempo. The Hollies were blessed with two excellent bass players in Eric Haydock and Bernie Calvert, and I think the girl fans would agree they were both attractive guys.
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I agree. Bernie's bass sound was very solid and right for the songs. Eric Haydock was a faster player, but the songs from 1963-6 were generally faster in tempo. The Hollies were blessed with two excellent bass players in Eric Haydock and Bernie Calvert, and I think the girl fans would agree they were both attractive guys.


Great musicians and attractive guys - now, there's a winning combination! Both Eric and Bernie brought a lot to the Hollies, we can't overlook their contribuions. I couldn't agree more, Dennis!
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Dennis wrote:
James Towill wrote:
SpartyScott wrote:
My bassist wasn't very good, and that's why the sound is back a bit in the mixes."


On A Carousel
Dear Eloise
Listen To Me
Sorry Suzanne
Not That Way At All
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother
Survival Of The Fittest
I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top
Hey Willy
Curly Billy

These are just a very brief list of songs in which Bernie's bass lines are very much to the fore. The very percussive bass sound he got in the late '60's singles is very noticeable. Great bassist.


I agree. Bernie's bass sound was very solid and right for the songs. Eric Haydock was a faster player, but the songs from 1963-6 were generally faster in tempo. The Hollies were blessed with two excellent bass players in Eric Haydock and Bernie Calvert, and I think the girl fans would agree they were both attractive guys.
Dennis I have to agree with you here, Shocked Laughing .

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Me too!!! Very Happy

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I agree, as well. Bernie was a great bass player. One of my favourite bass lines is in my favourite Hollies song "Bus Stop". Wasn't this one of Bernie's first recordings with The Hollies ?
But what is meant with the statement that he left the band because he went down the more electronic route ? I always wondered why he left at the same time as Terry left the band. Could anybody tell me the real reason for Bernie and Terry to leave the band ?
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But what is meant with the statement that he left the band because he went down the more electronic route ? I always wondered why he left at the same time as Terry left the band. Could anybody tell me the real reason for Bernie and Terry to leave the band ?
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In the early 80's a lot of groups were only using keyboards in some cases for even the drum parts. As I read that on the newer album they didn't want to use bernie so much, I assumed that this was because they were using keyboard bass instead, but I have no idea if this was the reason.

I saw one of the first Eurothymics concert, when everything was played on keyboards, and in concert it was awful... no depth at all. A few years later I saw them again and they had a full backing band, and were much better
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I had read that it was because Bernie couldn't handle the bass parts of the newer material to the staisfaction of Bruce Welch who was producing. I will say that if one compares the two versions of If The Lights Go Out, Calvert's bass doesn't really gel as well with the song as does Steve Stroud's (?) on the version on What Goes Around...

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Well, o.k., I can believe that Bruce Welch was a very meticulous producer. Cliff Richard himself said it on his last tour before he sang the brilliant "Hey Mr. Dreammaker" from one of the three albums Bruce Welch produced for Cliff in the late 1970s.
But Bernie was a real good bass player. On no album between "For Certain Because" and "Buddy Holly" and the 1965-1980 singles there was any sign of an imperfect bass line. "What Goes Around" and the early 1980s singles are nice Hollies material but not their most complicated material. I can't see the reason why Bernie should have played perfectly on all the recordings and suddenly having problems with newer material. I can't believe that this was the reason.
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shootthebusstop Post subject: Re: Bernie Calvert
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marko661 wrote:
I think I have read somewhere on this forum that Bernie was not considered to be a great bass player.

I have just played the Dutch Collection, and in particular the live version of Daddy Don't Mind: this shows what a great bass player he was (and surely live performances is where it counts), as well as how good the rest of the band were live (as now).

It is a pity that in the early 80's they lost him, due to going down the more electronic route; I know he would have retired soon after anyway, but pity he left under a sort od cloud
Just received my Dutch Collection and you are right,Bernie was class live.Brill stuff Cool Cool .

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benny-b-goode wrote:
Well, o.k., I can believe that Bruce Welch was a very meticulous producer. Cliff Richard himself said it on his last tour before he sang the brilliant "Hey Mr. Dreammaker" from one of the three albums Bruce Welch produced for Cliff in the late 1970s.
But Bernie was a real good bass player. On no album between "For Certain Because" and "Buddy Holly" and the 1965-1980 singles there was any sign of an imperfect bass line. "What Goes Around" and the early 1980s singles are nice Hollies material but not their most complicated material. I can't see the reason why Bernie should have played perfectly on all the recordings and suddenly having problems with newer material. I can't believe that this was the reason.


I should mention that I wasn't saying that he couldn't handle the bass parts, but Stroud's bass definitely does suit the song better in my opinion. Either way, it's a shame Bernie did leave under what I too feel was a bit of a cloud. Alas, it was 15 superb years with the band.

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James Towill wrote:
benny-b-goode wrote:
Well, o.k., I can believe that Bruce Welch was a very meticulous producer. Cliff Richard himself said it on his last tour before he sang the brilliant "Hey Mr. Dreammaker" from one of the three albums Bruce Welch produced for Cliff in the late 1970s.
But Bernie was a real good bass player. On no album between "For Certain Because" and "Buddy Holly" and the 1965-1980 singles there was any sign of an imperfect bass line. "What Goes Around" and the early 1980s singles are nice Hollies material but not their most complicated material. I can't see the reason why Bernie should have played perfectly on all the recordings and suddenly having problems with newer material. I can't believe that this was the reason.


I should mention that I wasn't saying that he couldn't handle the bass parts, but Stroud's bass definitely does suit the song better in my opinion. Either way, it's a shame Bernie did leave under what I too feel was a bit of a cloud. Alas, it was 15 superb years with the band.


I believe the scenario was the recording of "Carrie" with Bruce Welch producing, and neither Terry nor Bernie were wanted, leading to their permanent exit from the band.
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